Don’t Move to Windows Phone 8
Now there’s a provocative post title for you! Especially coming from me, one of Windows Phone 7’s biggest fans.
Why would I, of all people, recommend against Windows Phone 8? In almost every way it’s an upgrade from 7. By all accounts it’s faster, there are great new features in the app platform, and the hardware! I mean, those Lumia 920s are gorgeous. Hmm. I’m not doing a very good job of selling my anti-upgrade stance.
I have a 45 minute drive to (and from) work each day. To fill that time, I listen to podcasts. I use the Zune desktop software to subscribe to about a dozen different podcasts, and each night I switch on wi-fi on my phone and plug it in next to the bed. When I wake the next morning, my phone has wirelessly synced with my PC and new episodes of my subscribed podcasts are ready to play. The whole experience is seamless.
I can say goodbye to that if I were to “upgrade” (and I use the term loosely) to Windows Phone 8.
Firstly, there’s no support for the Zune desktop software anymore. You can use its inferior inbred cousin, Windows Media Player, but that’ll treat podcasts as music files so you won’t be able to use the built-in Podcasts section of the Music+Videos hub to play them, and they’ll be part of your random set-list when playing music. The only thing close to the Zune software is a beta version of a desktop sync tool which I’ll talk about later.
Next, there’s no support for wireless syncing with a PC, since that requires the Zune software. With Windows Phone 8, Microsoft is (admirably) trying to take the PC out of the equation and let you do everything with the phone. That, of course, just isn’t practical in a country where 1GB download limits are the norm. I’d hit that very quickly just on podcasts, disregarding all my regular usage.
Since there’s no Zune software, it’s impossible to subscribe to an RSS feed of a podcast. That means that if a podcast doesn’t appear in the Windows Phone Store, you flat out can’t subscribe to it. That wouldn’t be so big a deal except:
The Podcasts section of the Windows Phone Store is empty outside the US. So even if you want to subscribe to a “supported” podcast from the store, you’re shit outta luck.
The only “supported” method of getting podcasts onto your Windows Phone 8 device outside the US is to (brace yourself) install iTunes and use the beta desktop sync tool to push your iTunes-subscribed podcasts onto your phone. Let’s ignore the fact that I would rather rely on public phone booths than install iTunes on my PC. Even if you do this, the metadata (the image, description etc) for the episode doesn’t sync, and nor does your current position in the episode (if you want to pick up where you left off on another device).
This is outrageous. I cannot believe that Microsoft would advise me to install iTunes in order to get back a core piece of functionality that I had with Windows Phone 7.
The only other option are some podcast apps in the store, but they all have their problems. To my knowledge, none of them integrate with the Music+Videos hub, so you have to listen to your podcasts (and subscribe and download) from within the app. This is totally contrary to Microsoft’s Windows Phone philosophy of having everything available in the hubs and not relying on sandboxed apps.
So if you’re like me and a) live outside the US and b) listen to podcasts on your phone, don’t move to Windows Phone 8. The situation is a joke, and I hope Microsoft reads this and is ashamed. This is such a simple problem to fix. In fact, it wouldn’t need “fixing” it all if Microsoft hadn’t broken it in the first place. Go back to the Zune software, guys, or enable the podcast marketplace outside the US.
Until this is resolved, I’ll stick with Windows Phone 7.
Edit: I should include some link love for this post by Hal over at MSDonkey. Read it!
Comments
# jkavanagh58
17/12/2012 11:02 AM
I love WindowsPhone, but yeah I live in the USA. Podcasts is just one reason the scrapping of Zune and going to this gen1 Xbox Music is embarrassing. No decent playlist editor (really miss auto-playlists), navigation of music collection on computer is horrendous... answers.microsoft.com/.../b1c64834-de43-4
# Ben Laan
17/12/2012 11:05 AM
My sentiments exactly. I am unhappily using BringCast right now as an alternative which doesn't quite cut it..
Thanks for the write up, you saved me from doing it!
# travis
17/12/2012 1:23 PM
Even as a person who lives in the U.S. I can attest to this being a huge frustration. It wasn't someone I knew about before I upgraded, but to tide me over I've been using SlapDash on the phone and on my Windows 8 PC so that I can have RSS feed subscriptions sync over. I know its not ideal, but it helped me back away from the ledge
# Chris Melinn
28/12/2012 3:05 PM
Thanks for the post. I was planning on buying a Lumia 920 next week, but now thinking otherwise.
Very disappointing, hopefully will be corrected by MS soon.
# ibbers
15/01/2013 12:52 PM
Even the itunes workaround doesnt always work - see the 80070057 error www.google.com.au/.../search
among the several disappointments with WP8, the Podcast issue is one of the worst imho (and i like my 920)...
# James
13/02/2013 7:30 PM
Unfortunately, I already made the move before realising... I stupidly thought that Counting up in numerical order from 7 would mean this had to be better... I was so wrong.
Worst thing about iTunes, is it seems to be giving new podcasts old names (as in, today's podcast from the 13/02/13 comes over with the name 25/11/2012), it doesn't import over any of the podcast information. I have never had a more expensive pile of crap in front of me in my life.
# Matthew Wills
6/03/2013 3:28 PM
It actually is possible, althought somewhat dodgy.
Add the following string key in the Registry:
Computer\HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Zune\Features\Podcasts
Set the value to AU,US
Then deny write permission ('Set Value') to the registry entry.
Zune will then attempt (and fail) to remove the AU part of the entry whenever you login. This will result in a 'Features Have Changed' popup everytime you login. You can ignore this though, and podcast support should just work.
Yes, it is ridiculous that this is necessary. But it does seem to work.
# Matthew Wills
6/03/2013 3:32 PM
Please ignore me previous message. I kind of missed the point. ;-)
# Chris Melinn
7/03/2013 11:55 AM
An update from my last comment: I eventually purchased the Nokia Lumia 920 and I've been reasonably happy with the Carboncast app. It costs 99c in the store, has a few quirks, but gets the job done with minimal fuss.
# mabster
7/03/2013 12:01 PM
Yeah, CarbonCast is written by TechAU, who lives only a few kilometres from me. :)
My point, though, is that a dedicated podcast app is not necessary on Windows Phone 7, and it's a huge step backwards for one to be necessary on Windows Phone 8.
# Felix
29/09/2013 2:23 AM
It is shit. I've got a Lumia 820, windows 8. Just learnt how to use a nokia beta app to move the map data to the memory card, but this podcast situation is totally shit. I'm thinking of switching to iphone and saying goodbye to it. Microsoft does desktop but they've made a mess of phones
# Hal
1/10/2013 6:17 PM
Why thank you for that link love!
# Hal
1/10/2013 6:20 PM
I should add - I believe that this has been resolved in the GDR2 update and the podcast support is now international, but I will believe that when I see it. Thinking of picking up a Lumia 520 or something just to test it...
# mabster
2/10/2013 8:17 AM
G'day Hal,
From everything I've heard, this was not resolved in GDR2. Maybe GDR3? We can only hope. :(
# crmbrief
3/10/2013 1:03 PM
@Matthew Wills - Thanks for the tip enabling podcasts in Zune